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AMD 64 3000 ya da P4 3.0
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Üretici AMD AMD Intel
İşlemci Athlon XP (Palomino Çekirdekli) Athlon XP (Thoroughbred Çekirdekli) Pentium 4 (Northwood Çekirdekli)
Çıkış Tarihi 9 Ekim 2001 2. Çeyrek, 2002 7 Ocak 2002
Saat Frekansları 1.2 - 1.80 GHz 1.86 - 2.xx GHz 1.6 - 2.xx GHz
Üretim Teknolojisi 0,18 µm 0,13 µm 0,13 µm
Çekirdek (die) alanı 128 mm2 80 mm2 146 mm2
Geçit Sayısı 37,5 Milyon 37,5 Milyon 55 Milyon
Platform Soket462 Soket462 Soket478
İşlemci Veriyolu Hızı(FSB) 133 MHz / 266 MHz DDR 133 MHz / 266 MHz DDR 100 MHz / 400 MHz QDR
L1 Komut İşlem Önbellek Kapasitesi 64 KB 64 KB 12.000 µ-Ops (Trace Cache)
Çözme Öncesi İşlem? yok yok var
L1 Veri Önbellek Kapasitesi 64 KB 64 KB 8 KB (doğrulanmadı)
Donanım Tabanlı Veri Hazırlama Tekn. (Hardware Data Prefetch) var var var
L1 Önbellek Hızı çekirdek hızıyla aynı çekirdek hızıyla aynı çekirdek hızıyla aynı
L1 Önbellek Veriyolu Bantgenişliği 64-bit 64-bit 256-bit
L2 Önbellek Kapasitesi 256 KB 256 KB 512 KB
L2 Önbellek Hızı çekirdek hızıyla aynı çekirdek hızıyla aynı çekirdek hızıyla aynı
L2 Önbellek Adreslenebilir Aralığı 64 GB 64 GB 64 GB
İşlemci Veriyolu Genişliği 64-bit 64-bit 64-bit
Platform Desteği
Yongasetleri VIA KT133-KT333A arası
SiS 735 ve SiS 745
ALi Magik 1
Nvidia nForce
AMD 750 ve 760 VIA KT133A-KT333A arası
SiS 735 ve SiS 745
ALi Magik 1
Nvidia nForce
AMD 750 ve 760 Intel 845, Intel 845D ve Intel 845E
Intel 850 ve Intel 850E
VIA P4X266
VIA P4X266A
SiS 645
Bellek Türü SDRAM, DDR-SDRAM SDRAM, DDR-SDRAM SDRAM, DDR-SDRAM, RDRAM
Bellek Hızı 100/133/166 MHz 100/133/166 MHz 100/133/166/300/400/533 MHz
Komut Setleri
MMX var var var
Enhanced 3DNow! var var yok
3DNow! Professional var var yok
SSE var var var
SSE2 yok yok var
Elektriksel Özellikleri
Çoklu İşlemci Desteği yok ('resmen desteklenmiyor') yok ('resmen desteklenmiyor') yok
Core Voltage 1,75 Volt 1,5 Volt 1,5 Volt
Termal Koruma (Termal Diyot) var var var
Bütünleşik Termal Koruma Devresi yok, anakartta olması gerekiyor yok, anakartta olması gerekiyor var
Intel'in Stratejisi: 2002 Sonunda Dual-Channel DDR mı Çıkıyor?
Bellekle ilgili açıklamalarımız tamamen spekülatif; çünkü RDRAM piyasada büyük ölçüde boykot edilince Intel nihayet yönünü DDR teknolojisine döndürdü. Özellikle Intel platformunda saat hızları sürekli artarken bir şey kesin: tek kanallı DDR teknolojisi (DDR266) bu saat hızlarında optimum sistem performansı için yeterli bantgenişliği sağlayacak durumda değil. Rambus bellek veya "dual-channel DDR" kullanılması gerek ancak bu ikincisi pek ufukta görünmüyor. Bu durumda üst seviye sistemlere niyetlenen kullanıcılarına kalan tek seçenek RDRAM platformuna geçmek olacak. Sonuçta ne olursa olsun, testlerimizde görülüğü gibi DDR266 bellek 2.5GHz işlemci saat hızlarından itibaren tüm sistemi yavaşlatmaya başlıyor. 133 MHz FSB ile çalıştırdığımız Pentium 4/2400 bile 533 MHz RDRAM bellek ile tartışılmaz bir hız artışı sağladı. Sadece çok yakın iş ortaklarına sunulan gizli yol haritaları, Intel'in bu yılın sonunda Dual DDR destekli yongaseti çıkaracağını gösteriyor. Bu belleğin 3 GHz ve üzeri P4 işlemciler için gerekli bantgenişliğini sunacağı belirtiliyor.
English
The first part devoted to audio encoding will be supplemented today with the video encoding results. We used our integrated test packet based on the open technique of testing performance of video compression into DivX, XviD, WMV9, MPEG1 and MPEG2. I hope this review will be very useful to those who often deal with video compression and want to find an optimal configuration for his or her applications.
Testbed and software
Testbed
* CPUs:
o AMD Athlon 64 FX-51 (2200 MHz)
o AMD Athlon 64 3200+ (2000 MHz)
o AMD Athlon XP 3200+ (2200 MHz, Barton core)
o AMD Athlon XP 2500+ (1833 MHz, Barton core)
o AMD Athlon XP 2200+ (1800 MHz, Thorton core)
o AMD Duron 1400 MHz
o Intel Pentium 4 3.2 GHz
o Intel Pentium 4 2.4C GHz (Hyper-Threading, 800 MHz FSB)
o Intel Pentium 4 2.4 GHz (533 MHz FSB)
o Intel Pentium 4 2.0 GHz
o Intel Celeron 2.4 GHz
o Intel Celeron 2.2 GHz
o Intel Celeron 2.0 GHz
* Mainboards:
o Gigabyte K8NNXP-940 (BIOS F3)
o on NVIDIA nForce3 Pro 150 ASUS P4C800 Deluxe (BIOS 1014)
o on Intel 875P ABIT KV8-MAX3 (BIOS 17)
on VIA K8T800
* Memory:
o 2x512 MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM DIMM TwinMOS
o 2x512 MB PC3200 Registered DDR SDRAM DIMM Corsair (äëÿ Athlon FX)
* Video card: Manli ATI Radeon 9800Pro 256 MB
* Hard drive: Western Digital WD360 (SATA), 10,000 rpm
Test results
Before we proceed to the test scores let me point out that the scores were obtained quite a long time ago, yet last year, with the older version of the test suite. That is why we can't include the scores of the Athlon 64 3400+ and Pentium 4 3.2 GHz EE as they were tested on the newer benchmark version, and the internal research shows that the absolute scores differ. However, it doesn't matter within this round because all the processors are tested on the same benchmark version.
Ripping
DivX 5.1.1 Pro
The NetBurst processors get an advantage here (Pentium 4 and Celeron). The bigger the cache, the better the scores (compare Celeron 2.0 GHz and Pentium 4 at the same clock speeds), but the higher the frequency, the less the effect from the large cache (compare Pentium 4 / Celeron 2.0 Ghz and Pentium 4 / Celeron 2.4 GHz). Anyway, the large L2 cache helps only within the same platform: it doesn't let jump over the threshold of codec's preferences regarding the CPU core: Athlon XP 2500+ can't beat Celeron 2.4 GHz, though the L2 cache of the latter is significantly smaller. But among the new and old AMD platforms (Athlon XP and Athlon 64), the new one wins exactly at the expense of the twice greater L2 cache. Duron is far behind because of the small cache and low clock speed. So, in DivX encryption Intel's processors of the certain clock speed, including Celeron, are faster than AMD's CPUs of the same rating.
XviD 1.0 beta 2 (Koepi)
Although the MMX optimization was disabled for Pentium 4 and Celeron, it didn't have any decent effect - this version of XviD prefers AMD K7/K8. Like in the audio encoding tests, there's only the Pentium 4 3.2 GHz that managed to outscore the Duron 1400 MHz and take one of the upper lines in the table. The cache size helps only on the Intel platform, but even here the effect is inconsiderable. Well, the performance gain of the Pentium 4 relative to the Celeron of the same clock speeds is less than the price difference.
Windows Media Video 9 VCM
First of all, let's compare the platforms. The worst choice is the processors on the first-generation NetBurst core (without Hyper-Threading). It refers both to Pentium 4 and Celeron. The Athlon XP and Duron of the same rating look much better. The K7 core is one step above. The Pentium 4 2.4C GHz and Pentium 4 3.2 GHz managed to beat Athlon XP and Duron, i.e. Intel's CPUs with Hyper-Threading support. However, the first position is taken by Athlon 64 FX thanks to the combination of the architecture (K8 core) and the dual-channel memory controller. Even Pentium 4 3.2 GHz falls behind it. The cache size has the least effect again, both for Intel and Athlon XP / Athlon 64. Finally, we can suppose that the Athlon 64 3200+ clocked at the lower speed beats the Athlon XP 3200+ due to the SSE2 support.
MPEG1 (with Mainconcept MPEG Encoder)
As we found out it earlier, the Hyper-Threading makes even a worse effect on Intel's processors in case of MPEG1 encoding in this application. But users wouldn't restart the PC and turn off Hyper-Threading in BIOS Setup every time before encoding because of preferences of a single application, that is why we tested Intel's CPUs as is: those which supported virtual SMP were tested with Hyper-Threading enabled, those which did not were tested without it. That is exactly why the old Pentium 4 2.4 GHz beats the new Pentium 4 2.4C. The latter even loses to the Celeron 2.4 GHz because of the Hyper-Threading! It also indicates that the L2 cache size is not that influential in this subtest. The other processors of all architectures prove it. Thanks to Hyper-Threading Athlon 64 3200+ outdoes Pentium 4 3.2 GHz (the research shows that without the HT support the scores are almost identical). The Athlon 64 FX-51 is a champion here. But in general the situation is very complicated, and we can't say which architecture takes the lead.
Movie director's tests
Mainconcept MPEG Encoder / MPEG2
For MPEG2 encoding the Hyper-Threading works correctly, and Intel's processors that support it get a good gain. Just compare Pentium 4 2.4C and its sibling without Hyper-Threading. By the way, if the bus bandwidth is not indicated, it means that the RAM speed has a weak effect on performance, and the comparison of the Pentium 4 2.4C and Pentium 4 2.4 comes to comparison of performance of the processors with HT and without it. Performance doesn't depend much on the cache size, though there's some difference between the processors with the large and small L2 caches. But the worst disadvantage of the Celeron is not the cache but the lack of the Hyper-Threading. The gap between Celeron 2.0 and Pentium 4 2.0 is not that great, it's the same for Celeron 2.4 GHz and Pentium 4 of the same clock speeds without Hyper-Threading. And the breakaway of Pentium 4 2.4C is caused not by the large cache... AMD's processors look flabby in this test - AMD's flagships Athlon XP 3200+ and Athlon 64 FX-51 go on a par with Pentium 4 2.4C and fall behind Pentium 4 3.2 GHz. But the worst thing for AMD is not the defeat of its top CPUs but the fact that Athlon XP 2500+ looks equal to Celeron 2.4 GHz!
Canopus ProCoder / MPEG2
This time AMD gains revenge for its defeat in Mainconcept MPEG Encoder with encoding into the same format. Intel loses because one of its main trumps, HT, doesn't help it. There's no such a great effect like in Mainconcept MPEG Encoder for MPEG1 encoding, Canopus ProCoder hardly notices the second virtual CPU. The large L2 size helps a lot - Celeron 2.4 GHz beats Pentium 4 2.0 GHz. The scores of Barton and Thorton also indicate that the size is important here. The upper positions are taken by the processors with the largest cache - AMD Athlon 64 3200+ and Athlon 64 FX-51. Well, we can expect good scores from Pentium 4 Prescott as well...
Cinema Craft Encoder SP / MPEG2
Cinema Craft Encoder SP prefers the NetBurst architecture (Pentium 4 / Celeron) and is not indifferent to the L2 cache. At the same time, architecture has a greater effect than cache - Pentium 4 3.2 GHz takes the first place, Athlon 64 3200+ / FX-51 with 1MB L2 take the second and third positions. Celeron is far behind, the low-end 2GHz model is almost equal to Duron 1400 MHz (even NetBurst core doesn't help it). This test is very transparent - now when we know its preferences, it's not difficult to predict scores of other processors.
Conclusion
We can't single out the only preference for video encoding. However, there are some factors these benchmarks are influenced by. They are:
1. Architecture (Intel NetBurst, AMD K7, and sometimes even AMD K8);
2. L2 cache size;
3. Hyper-Threading support;
4. RAM speed / FSB throughput (memory bandwidth).
We excluded the clock speed because within the same architecture almost all tests react equally to its changing. Let's try to make a list of preferences...
1. DivX 5.1.1 prefers NetBurst core (Pentium 4 / Celeron), is not indifferent to a large cache, the memory bandwidth is not that influential.
2. XviD 1.0 beta 2 (not the latest version) fancies all AMD processors, sometimes reacts to memory bandwidth and L2 cache size.
3. Windows Media Video 9 VCM is almost indifferent to the cache size, improves performance with Hyper-Threading, and fancies AMD K8 core (either due to the SSE2 or due to the integrated memory controller; probably both factors are important).
4. Mainconcept MPEG Encoder 1.4 / MPEG1 slows down with Hyper-Threading enabled, doesn't depend much on the cache size and likes the K8 core much (probably for its K7+SSE2 because it's not sensitive to the memory bandwidth).
5. Mainconcept MPEG Encoder 1.4 / MPEG2 benefits a lot from Hyper-Threading, is not that sensitive to the NetBurst core (even without Hyper-Threading). Note how the preferences change regarding the format.
6. Canopus ProCoder 1.25 is indifferent to Hyper-Threading but very sensitive to cache size; architecture and memory bandwidth are not that important.
7. Cinema Craft Encoder SP 2.67 prefers a large cache and the NetBurst architecture, with the latter being more vital. It doesn't benefit much from Hyper-Threading, as well as from memory bandwidth.
That's all. The rest depends on what applications you use most of all.
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AMD 2500+ El Frenini çekik unutmuş herhalde
Eğer oyun oynaman daha ön plandaysa AMD 64 bitlikler kesinlikle bir numara. O yazılan testlerde bir tane bile oyun testi yok gördüğüm kadarıyla. www.tomshardware.com.tr a gidip bakabilirsin burda işlemci bölümü var. Ayrıyeten p4 presscottlar kazan gibi ısınıyor.
peki genel anlamda geleceğe yönelik düşündüğümüzde LGA 775 P4 mü yoksa AMD 64 BİTler mi daha uygun.geleceğin işlemcileri 64 bit fakat yeni nesil intellerde 64 bitin entegre edilmiş ancak açılmamış olduğunu duydum.sizce hangisini almak daha mantıklı?
peki LGA 775li bir sistemin kurulması için biraz daha beklenilmeli mi yoksa hazır dolar düşmüşken fırsat bu fırsat denip geçmek uygun olurmu.birde ddr2 ve ddr bellek bir arada kullanılabilir mi.eğer kullanılabilirse ara dönem anakartlarındaki 2 bellek yuvasınıda kullanmak elimizdeki bellekleri değerlendirmek için iyi olurda.çöpe atmayalım birde onları.
Evet 3dNow! komutları es geçilmiş...
bencee şu an LGA 775 ler için erken bi zaman. eminimki intel üzerinde çalışıp bazı artılar ekleyecektir. ama amd mi yoksa intel mi diye sorarsan amd derim.
Bence erken değil ama başka bir forumda yazdığım gibi alıcaksanızda lga 775 soket 3.0 ve 3.2 alın 2.8 benimki ve ciddi oranda cpu clock düşük bu arada 3.6 da yanıyor bakınız forumlar yani ideal seçimler 3.0 3.2 dir kolay gele